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Revision as of 12:47, 5 August 2019

Group A of the 2019 4chan Winter Cup contains the following teams:

Team Place in last competition Pre-cup position in Rankings
Vg icon.png /vg/ 1st in 2018 4chan Summer Cup 2nd
Bant icon.png /bant/ 15th in 2018 4chan Summer Cup 22nd
Vp icon.png /vp/ 3rd in 2018 4chan Autumn Babby Cup 20th
Biz icon.png /biz/ 16th in 2018 4chan Autumn Babby Cup 43rd

Table

Team Pld W D L GF GA GD Pts
Biz icon.png /biz/ 3 2 1 0 12 7 5 7
Vg icon.png /vg/ 3 2 0 1 7 5 2 6
Vp icon.png /vp/ 3 1 1 1 10 9 1 4
Bant icon.png /bant/ 3 0 0 3 5 13 -8 0

/vg/ v /vp/

Background: Vg icon.png /vg/'s sole previous cup encounter with Vp icon.png /vp/ came in the 2014 4chan Spring Babby Cup, where /vg/ destroyed /vp/ 3–0. There have also been some official friendly encounters, although one of them is voided.


Stadium: Dark Age of Divegrass 15 February 2018, 17:00 UTC Attendance: 595
Vg logo.png /vg/ 2–1 /vp/ Vp logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
GOGETA DA Goal 36'
Somehow I'M The Bad Guy Goal 42' 		Goal 90+4' Tentaquil
 
Assists 		 
GOGETA DA Assist 42' Assist 90+4' Fug


Pos-GK.png Cond-good.png Sleepo Beepo
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png Pottis Substituted off 79'
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Doctor Jewgle
Pos-CB.png Cond-very good.png Eroha
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png Douzo, Lad
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png 30 Yr Old VR Boomer Substituted off 79'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Git Gud
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Brown Bricks Substituted off 79'
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png GOGETA DA
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Somehow I'm The Bad Guy
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png APEX
Substitutions:
Pos-LB.png Cond-very poor.png Hope Substituted in 79'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png >99% chance to hit Substituted in 79'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Connection Lost Substituted in 79'
Manager:
tech !!rb+zz19X9Cq
Reso !!q9PyzmIBtiU
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Gotta Catch 'Em All
Pos-LB.png Cond-good.png Punished Bird Substituted off 68'
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png BORYGON2
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Smogonsword
Pos-CB.png Cond-very good.png Serebii Confirmed Substituted off 45'
Pos-RB.png Cond-very good.png NO ES FAKE
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png BADDY BAD Substituted off 68'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Tentaquil
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png FUG
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png Citizen Snips
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Miror B.
Substitutions:
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png BURASTO BAAN Substituted in 45'
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png Remove Genies Substituted in 68'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-poor.png KANTOOOOOOOO Substituted in 68'
Manager:
TheBird !!imX5RWup/L6

Man of the Match:
GOGETA DA (/vg/)


                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

48

52

Shots (on target)

9

5

(3)

(2)

Fouls (offside)

2

2

(2)

(1)

Corner Kicks

1

0

Free Kicks

2

3

Passes completed (%)

82

87

Crosses

0

0

Interceptions

10

15

Tackles

10

8

Saves

2

2


/bant/ v /biz/

Background: These teams had never met in a competitive setting.


Stadium: ImpTrash Dump 15 February 2019, 17:40 UTC Attendance: 610
Bant logo.png /bant/ 2–4 /biz/ Biz logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
Queen Goal 30'
Leaf Girl Goal 56' 		Goal 13', 54' Money Skeleton
Goal 61' Dump It
Goal 90+4' AAAAAHHHHHHHH
 
Assists 		 
Leaf Girl Assist 30'
Queen Assist 56' 		Assist 13' AAAAAHHHHHHHH
Assist 54' Sminem
Assist 61' Elon Musk
Assist 90+4' Money Skeleton


Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Fuck Off Pooftahs
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Bat Loli
Pos-DMF.png Cond-very good.png Burdo
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png Plague Doctor
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png le dank forced face™
Pos-LMF.png Cond-very good.png Simon Substituted off 89'
Pos-RMF.png Cond-okay.png Aussie Girl Substituted off 89'
Pos-AMF.png Cond-very good.png Isle Of Manlet Substituted off 89'
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png Queen
Pos-SS.png Cond-good.png Leaf Girl
Substitutions:
Pos-LMF.png Cond-good.png Okay Real Talk Substituted in 89'
Pos-RMF.png Cond-poor.png Coke And Peanuts Substituted in 89'
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png Alzheimers Substituted in 89'
Manager:
Grill !!u8ODbK/RIz+
EternalFlip !!57l0cbOWbkI
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Sergey Saves
Pos-LB.png Cond-very good.png (((RIPPLE)))
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Buy High Sell Low
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png No Coiner
Pos-RB.png Cond-very good.png Elon Musk Substituted off 89'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png John "Boomer" McAfee Substituted off 89'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-very good.png Lambo Substituted off 89'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Sminem
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png AAAAAHHHHHHHH
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Money Skeleton
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Dump It
Substitutions:
Pos-RB.png Cond-good.png Nice Just Bought 100k Substituted in 89'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Golden Pajeet Substituted in 89'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png SELL SELL SELL Substituted in 89'
Manager:
Plus !!IfFZMaPmcC7

Man of the Match:
Money Skeleton (/biz/)


                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

44

56

Shots (on target)

8

5

(7)

(5)

Fouls (offside)

1

3

(1)

(0)

Corner Kicks

0

0

Free Kicks

3

1

Passes completed (%)

84

90

Crosses

0

0

Interceptions

11

10

Tackles

7

7

Saves

1

4


/vg/ v /bant/

Background: These teams had never met in a competitive setting.


Stadium: Planeptune Stadium 17 February 2019, 17:00 UTC Attendance: 747
Vg logo.png /vg/ 5–1 /bant/ Bant logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
GOGETA DA Goal 34', 49', 87'
Git Gud Goal 37', 90+1' 		Leaf Girl Goal 24'
 
Assists 		 
30 Yr Old VR Boomer Assist 34'
GOGETA DA Assist 37', 90+1'
APEX Assist 49'
Somehow I'M The Bad Guy Assist 87' 		Assist 24' Alzheimers


Pos-GK.png Cond-poor.png Sleepo Beepo
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png HOPE Substituted off 82'
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png UNITY. PRECISION. PERFECTION. Substituted off 82'
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png High Impact Sexual Violence
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png Douzo, lad
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png 30 Yr Old VR Boomer
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png The Cutest Witch! Substituted off 82'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Git Gud
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Somehow I'm the Bad Guy
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png APEX
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png GOGETA DA
Substitutions:
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png pottis Substituted in 82'
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Jannu Substituted in 82'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Brown Bricks Substituted in 82'
Manager:
tech !!rb+zz19X9Cq
Reso !!q9PyzmIBtiU
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Fuck Off Pooftahs
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Bat Loli
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Burdo
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png Morning Leader
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Kot Substituted off 82'
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png Alzheimers Booked 82'Substituted off 82'
Pos-LMF.png Cond-good.png Okay, Real Talk
Pos-RMF.png Cond-okay.png an*Mefags Substituted off 82'
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Leaf Girl
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png Queen
Substitutions:
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png Average Brit Substituted in 82'
Pos-RMF.png Cond-okay.png Coke and Peanuts Substituted in 82'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Redpilled Haircuts Substituted in 82'
Manager:
Grill !!u8ODbK/RIz+
EternalFlip !!57l0cbOWbkI

Man of the Match:
GOGETA DA (/vg/)



                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

53

47

Shots (on target)

8

4

(6)

(3)

Fouls (offside)

1

1

(1)

(0)

Corner Kicks

0

0

Free Kicks

1

1

Passes completed (%)

75

75

Crosses

2

1

Interceptions

21

17

Tackles

1

5

Saves

2

2


/vp/ v /biz/

Background: These teams had never met in a competitive setting.


Stadium: Battle Royal Stadium 17 February 2019, 17:40 UTC Attendance: 846
Vp logo.png /vp/ 5–5 /biz/ Biz logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
Miror B. Goal 42'
Tentaquil Goal 77', 82'
Citizen Snips Goal 79'
Fug Goal 90+0' 		Sminem Goal 24', 44'
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH Goal 36', 85'
Dump It Goal 39'
 
Assists 		 
Tentaquil Assist 42'
Trumpets Assist 77'
Fug Assist 79', 82'
Citizen Snips Assist 90+0' 		Assist 24' AAAAAHHHHHHHH
Assist 36' Sminem
Assist 39' BITCONNNEEEEEEEEEC
Assist 44' Dump It


Pos-GK.png Cond-poor.png Gotta Catch 'Em All
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png Masuda Substituted off 77'
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Serebii Confirmed
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Borygon2
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png Trumpets Substituted off 77'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png KANTOOOOOOOO
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png BLOBBOS Substituted off 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Tentaquil
Pos-AMF.png Cond-good.png FUG
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png Citizen Snips
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Miror B.
Substitutions:
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png Punished Bird Substituted in 77'
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png WOW IT'S FUCKING NOTHING Substituted in 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png >implying owls are birds Substituted in 77'
Manager:
TheBird !!imX5RWup/L6
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Sergey Saves
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png CHINKED Substituted off 77'
Pos-CB.png Cond-very good.png Buy High Sell Low
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png No Coiner
Pos-RB.png Cond-good.png How Much BTC For This GF? Substituted off 77'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png John "Boomer" McAfee
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png BITCONNNEEEEEEEEEC Substituted off 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Sminem
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png AAAAAHHHHHHHH
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Dump It
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Money Skeleton
Substitutions:
Pos-LB.png Cond-okay.png Wagie Substituted in 77'
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png Nice Just Bought 100k Substituted in 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png SELL SELL SELL Substituted in 77'
Manager:
Plus !!IfFZMaPmcC7

Man of the Match:
AAAAAHHHHHHHH (/biz/)


                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

53

47

Shots (on target)

5

14

(5)

(10)

Fouls (offside)

0

0

(0)

(0)

Corner Kicks

0

4

Free Kicks

0

0

Passes completed (%)

87

88

Crosses

1

2

Interceptions

14

12

Tackles

5

7

Saves

3

0


/bant/ v /vp/

Background: These teams have never met in a competitive setting.

Stadium: ImpTrash Dump 23 February 2019, 17:00 UTC Attendance: 716
Bant logo.png /bant/ 2–4 /vp/ Vp logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
the fishe Goal 15'
Leaf Girl Goal 85' 		Goal 11', 25', 45+0' Citizen Snips
Goal 77' Fug
 
Assists 		 
Queen Assist 15' Assist 11' Tentaquil
Assist 25' John Gamefreak
Assist 45+0' BURASTO BAAN


Pos-GK.png Cond-very good.png Toothpaste Kagari
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Bat Loli
Pos-CB.png Cond-poor.png BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Borche
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png Kot
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png le dank forced face™ Substituted off 77'
Pos-LMF.png Cond-okay.png the fishe
Pos-RMF.png Cond-very good.png an*Mefags Substituted off 77'
Pos-AMF.png Cond-very good.png Average Brit Substituted off 77'
Pos-CF.png Cond-good.png Queen
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Leaf Girl
Substitutions:
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Redpilled Haircuts Substituted in 77'
Pos-RMF.png Cond-poor.png Aussie Girl Substituted in 77'
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png Isle Of Manlet Substituted in 77'
Manager:
Grill !!u8ODbK/RIz+
EternalFlip !!57l0cbOWbkI
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-good.png Gotta Catch 'Em All
Pos-LB.png Cond-good.png Remove Genies
Pos-CB.png Cond-poor.png Smogonsword Substituted off 77'
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png Serebii Confirmed
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png Trumpets
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png John Gamefreak Substituted off 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-very good.png Burasto Baan Substituted off 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Tentaquil
Pos-AMF.png Cond-okay.png Fug
Pos-CF.png Cond-poor.png Citizen Snips
Pos-SS.png Cond-good.png Miror. B
Substitutions:
Pos-CB.png Cond-poor.png Borygon2 Substituted in 77'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-okay.png Baddy Bad Substituted in 77'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Blobbos Substituted in 77'
Manager:
TheBird !!imX5RWup/L6

Man of the Match:
Citizen Snips (/vp/)


                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

51

49

Shots (on target)

6

8

(4)

(5)

Fouls (offside)

0

0

(0)

(0)

Corner Kicks

2

0

Free Kicks

0

0

Passes completed (%)

79

86

Crosses

2

0

Interceptions

12

15

Tackles

5

4

Saves

2

2


/biz/ v /vg/

Background: Vg icon.png /vg/'s first match in the 2016 4chan Autumn Babby Cup, against Biz icon.png /biz/, ended in a 3–1 /vg/ victory.


Stadium: Crypto Space 23 February 2019, 17:40 UTC Attendance: 853
Biz logo.png /biz/ 3–0 /vg/ Vg logo.png Scoreboard overlay.png
Dump It Goal 6', 58'
Money Skeleton Goal 75'
 
Assists 		 
SELL SELL SELL Assist 6', 58'
Dump It Assist 75'


Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Sergey Saves
Pos-LB.png Cond-very good.png Chinked Substituted off 73'
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png No Coiner
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Buy High Sell Low
Pos-RB.png Cond-good.png Nice Just Bought 100k Substituted off 73'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png John "Boomer" McAfee
Pos-CMF.png Cond-very good.png SELL SELL SELL Substituted off 73'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Sminem
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png AAAAAHHHHHHHH
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Money Skeleton
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png Dump It
Substitutions:
Pos-LB.png Cond-good.png (((Ripple))) Substituted in 73'
Pos-RB.png Cond-okay.png How Much BTC For This GF? Substituted in 73'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-okay.png Lambo Substituted in 73'
Manager:
Plus !!IfFZMaPmcC7
Blank pitch.png
Pos-GK.png Cond-okay.png Sleepo Beepo
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Wooby
Pos-CB.png Cond-okay.png High Impact Sexual Violence
Pos-CB.png Cond-good.png Doctor Jewgle
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png 30 Yr Old VR Boomer Substituted off 73'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-good.png 99% Chance to Hit Substituted off 73'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Git Gud
Pos-CMF.png Cond-good.png Brown Bricks Booked 56' Substituted off 73'
Pos-CF.png Cond-okay.png GOGETA DA
Pos-SS.png Cond-okay.png APEX
Pos-SS.png Cond-good.png Somehow I'm The Bad Guy
Substitutions:
Pos-DMF.png Cond-poor.png He He He Substituted in 73'
Pos-DMF.png Cond-poor.png Wilhelm II Substituted in 73'
Pos-CMF.png Cond-very good.png The Cutest Witch! Substituted in 73'
Manager:
tech !!rb+zz19X9Cq
Reso !!q9PyzmIBtiU

Man of the Match:
Dump It (/biz/)


                 Match Stats
Possession (%)

49

51

Shots (on target)

12

9

(6)

(8)

Fouls (offside)

0

1

(0)

(0)

Corner Kicks

3

2

Free Kicks

1

0

Passes completed (%)

75

88

Crosses

1

0

Interceptions

10

12

Tackles

4

3

Saves

7

4


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